*Scoring Model last updated March 24th, Video added (courtesy of yako591) April 2nd*

Intro / Overview
When you land a trick, you immediately bank TRICK x FLOW. TRICK (no multiplier) is also added to the COMBO SCORE. The combo counter increases by one, and if the trick is big enough Flow also increases by one. (Things like Nose/Tail press won't increase flow.)

When you end your combo (banking it, not crashing), you bank COMBO SCORE x FLOW. You also bank a COMBO BONUS (no multiplier), which just depends on the number of tricks in the combo.

If you stop doing tricks or stay in one area for two long, you'll start to lose FLOW. So keep moving down the mountain & keep doing tricks to keep your FLOW multiplier up.

TRICK scores for most tricks are detailed below.


Normal Grabs - Basic
(Tricks: Melon, Indy, Rocket, Truckdriver)
1 sec - 433 points
2 sec - 1,683 points
3 sec - 3,183 points
4 sec - 4,933 points
5 sec - 6,933 points
6 sec - 9,183 points
7 sec - 11,683 points
8 sec - 14,433 points
9 sec - 17,433 points
10 sec - 20,683 points

Normal Grabs - Better
(Tricks: Nosegrab, Crail, Seatbelt, Tailgrab, Flying Squirrel, Stiffy)
1 sec - 740 points
2 sec - 2,240 points
3 sec - 4,040 points
4 sec - 6,140 points
5 sec - 8,540 points
6 sec - 11,240 points
7 sec - 14,240 points
8 sec - 17,540 points
9 sec - 21,140 points
10 sec - 25,040 points

Normal Grabs - Best
(Tricks: Mute, Stalefish)
1 sec - 863 points
2 sec - 2,613 points
3 sec - 4,713 points
4 sec - 7,163 points
5 sec - 9,963 points
6 sec - 13,113 points
7 sec - 16,613 points
8 sec - 20,463 points
9 sec - 24,663 points
10 sec - 29,213 points


Simple Ubers - Basic
(Tricks: Uber Melon, Uber Indy, Uber Rocket, Uber Truckdriver)
1 sec - 650 points
2 sec - 2,525 points
3 sec - 4,775 points
4 sec - 7,400 points
5 sec - 10,400 points
6 sec - 13,775 points
7 sec - 17,525 points
8 sec - 21,650 points
9 sec - 26,150 points
10 sec - 31,025 points

Simple Ubers - Better
(Tricks: Uber Nosegrab, Uber Crail, Uber Seatbelt, Uber Tailgrab, Uber Flying Squirrel, Uber Stiffy)
1 sec - 1,110 points
2 sec - 3,360 points
3 sec - 6,060 points
4 sec - 9,210 points
5 sec - 12,810 points
6 sec - 16,860 points
7 sec - 21,360 points
8 sec - 26,310 points
9 sec - 31,710 points
10 sec - 37,560 points

Simple Ubers - Best
(Tricks: Uber Mute, Uber Stalefish)
1 sec - 1,295 points
2 sec - 3,920 points
3 sec - 7,070 points
4 sec - 10,745 points
5 sec - 14,945 points
6 sec - 19,670 points
7 sec - 24,920 points
8 sec - 30,695 points
9 sec - 36,995 points
10 sec - 43,820 points


Super Ubers - Basic
(Tricks: Skyscraper, Waaay Back, Checkin' the Nose, Sledgehammer)
1 sec - 867 points
2 sec - 3,367 points
3 sec - 6,367 points
4 sec - 9,867 points
5 sec - 13,867 points
6 sec - 18,367 points
7 sec - 23,367 points
8 sec - 28,867 points
9 sec - 34,867 points
10 sec - 41,367 points

Super Ubers - Better
(Tricks: Sidewinder, Submersible, Royal Flush, Stay Frosty, Huge In Europe, Cradle May Fall)
1 sec - 1,480 points
2 sec - 4,480 points
3 sec - 8,080 points
4 sec - 12,280 points
5 sec - 17,080 points
6 sec - 22,480 points
7 sec - 28,480 points
8 sec - 35,080 points
9 sec - 42,280 points
10 sec - 50,080 points

Super Ubers - Best
(Tricks: All You Can Eat, Blackbird)
1 sec - 1,727 points
2 sec - 5,227 points
3 sec - 9,427 points
4 sec - 14,327 points
5 sec - 19,927 points
6 sec - 26,227 points
7 sec - 33,227 points
8 sec - 40,927 points
9 sec - 49,327 points
10 sec - 58,427 points

Signature Trick
1 sec - 2,960 points
2 sec - 8,960 points
3 sec - 16,160 points
4 sec - 24,560 points
5 sec - 34,160 points
6 sec - 44,960 points
7 sec - 56,960 points
8 sec - 70,160 points
9 sec - 84,560 points
10 sec - 100,160 points
* The signature trick animation only ends in a few different places unless it's forced to end early by landing, so these exact scores may never be seen.


Flips
(score = 600*n(n+1)/2, where n = # of flips)
1 flip - 600 points
2 flips - 1,800 points
3 flips - 3,600 points
4 flips - 6,000 points
5 flips - 9,000 points
6 flips - 12,600 points
7 flips - 16,800 points
8 flips - 21,600 points
9 flips - 27,000 points
10 flips - 33,000 points
11 flips - 39,600 points
12 flips - 46,800 points
13 flips - 54,600 points
14 flips - 63,000 points
15 flips - 72,000 points

Spins
(score = 120*n + 30*n(n+1)/2, where n = # of 180s)
1 180 (180) - 150 points
2 180s (360) - 330 points
3 180s (540) - 540 points
4 180s (720) - 780 points
5 180s (900) - 1,050 points
6 180s (1080) - 1,350 points
7 180s (1260) - 1,680 points
8 180s (1440) - 2,040 points
9 180s (1620) - 2,430 points
10 180s (1800) - 2,850 points
11 180s (1980) - 3,300 points
12 180s (2160) - 3,780 points
13 180s (2340) - 4,290 points
14 180s (2520) - 4,830 points
15 180s (2700) - 5,400 points
16 180s (2880) - 6,000 points
17 180s (3060) - 6,630 points
18 180s (3240) - 7,290 points
19 180s (3420) - 7,980 points
20 180s (3600) - 8,700 points
21 180s (3780) - 9,450 points
22 180s (3960) - 10,230 points
23 180s (4140) - 11,040 points
24 180s (4320) - 11,880 points
25 180s (4500) - 12,750 points
26 180s (4680) - 13,650 points
27 180s (4860) - 14,580 points
28 180s (5040) - 15,540 points
29 180s (5220) - 16,530 points
30 180s (5400) - 17,550 points


Rails
Note: According to Todd Batty, rails are scored per-second, not per-meter. But I haven't yet worked out a formula. It's pretty hard to actually go slowly on rails, though, so the approximations listed here should generally be fairly close. I looked at rails a bit tonight (March 25) but the numbers I collected were a mess... I think I'm going to try to pin down some exact numbers for the Tweak Bonus and Duplicate Penalty before coming back to rails.
Grind (normal) - 30 points per meter
Grind (tricky) - ?
Grind (super tricky) - ?
Boardslide (normal) - 25 points per meter
Boardslide (tricky) - 40 points per meter
Boardslide (super tricky) - 50 points per meter
Rail Tricks - about 30-35 points per meter
Rail Simple Ubers - about 45 points per meter
Rail Super Ubers - about 55-70 points per meter
All 6 tricks at each level appear to earn the same number of points. Points per meter likely varies depending on the length of the trick, just like points per second varies with the length of a grab, but I haven't worked out a specific model to predict. In general, a rail trick seems to be about 40% better than a boardslide at all levels - normal / tricky / super tricky. (Note there are actually three different versions of Boardslide, but they all share the same name. Also note a Grind is just a Boardslide, but it's performed on manual-grind terrain instead of an auto-grind rail.)
(I'm actually starting to think rail tricks might be points per frame, not points per meter... but I was trying to finalize the scoring model for grabs before devoting more time to rails.)


Other Tricks
Pieces of Flare - 1,000 points
Off the Heli - 20,000 points
Nose/Tail Press - 5 points per meter


Combo Bonus
2+ tricks - 2,000 points
5+ tricks - 10,000 points
7+ tricks - 15,000 points
10+ tricks - 25,000 points
20+ tricks - 50,000 points
25+ tricks - 75,000 points
30+ tricks - 100,000 points
40+ tricks - 125,000 points
50+ tricks - 150,000 points
60+ tricks - 175,000 points
70+ tricks - 200,000 points
80+ tricks - 225,000 points
104 (?) tricks - 300,000 points
214 (?) tricks - 500,000 points
(Not sure yet where all of the break points are past 80. Also need to double-check some of those larger combos.)

Tweak Bonus
*Coming Soon! (Looks like tweaking roughly triples the score, but I haven't worked out anything exact.)

Duplicate Penalty
*Coming Soon! (I think this might just be a 50% penalty from some scores I've noticed while testing other things, but I haven't specifically tested it yet.)

TLDR Tips:
- Get to x20 Flow ASAP & stay at x20 for the whole track.
- Tweak all tricks.
- Do flips, not spins. Pro-tip from Todd Batty: "backflips are better than front flips. They have a different take-off animation that sends your player more 'up' then 'forward' which means sometimes getting an extra flip and a bit more air that will add up over the course of the run. And for racers, the opposite obviously holds true."
- Best grabs are Mute Tweak & Stalefish Tweak.
- Best ubers are All You Can Eat Tweak & Blackbird Tweak.
- Hold tricks as long as possible. One 5-sec trick is worth more than ten 1-sec tricks.
- Combo bonus is nice, but is not required for a top run (at leat not yet). It's OK to cash in combo with 20x flow, but make sure you have time to get back to Super Tricky before any big jumps. Ubers are worth 2x as many points as regular grabs; a huge jump at 20x with a regular grab instead of an uber could cost you 1.5 million points.
- Use Pieces of Flare to keep combos alive.
- Off the Heli at 20x Flow for 800,000 points.
- yako591 made a video with some tips for high scores & posted it in another thread. Watch the video to see some of these tips in action and to get a feel for how to plot a course down the track.

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Standard:
(stick directions, easily converted to buttons for either console)

basic tricks: D / R / U / L on the stick
better tricks: RU / RD / LU / LD / UR / UL on the stick
best tricks: RL / LR on the stick

basic
L - Melon / Switch Indy --> Skyscraper / Switch Waaay Back
R - Indy / Switch Melon --> Waaay Back / Switch Skyscraper
U - Rocket / Switch Rocket --> Checkin' the Nose / Switch Checkin' the Nose
D - Truckdriver / Switch Truckdriver --> Sledgehammer / Switch Sledgehammer

better
LU - Nosegrab / Switch Crail --> Sidewinder / Switch Submersible
RU - Crail / Switch Nosegrab --> Submersible / Switch Sidewinder
LD - Seatbelt / Switch Tail Grab --> Royal Flush / Switch Stay Frosty
RD - Tail Grab / Switch Seatbelt --> Stay Frosty / Switch Royal Flush
UL - Flying Squirrel / Switch Stiffy --> Huge In Europe / Switch Cradle May Fall
UR - Stiffy / Switch Flying Squirrel --> Cradle May Fall / Switch Huge In Europe

best
LR - Mute / Switch Stalefish --> All You Can Eat / Switch Blackbird
RL - Stalefish / Switch Mute --> Blackbird / Switch All You Can Eat

signature
any grab + tweak (R2/RT) + grind (L2/LT)


Classic:
(Not 100% sure on these... need to double-check)

basic
L2/LT - Melon / Switch Indy --> Skyscraper / Switch Waaay Back
R2/RT - Indy / Switch Melon --> Waaay Back / Switch Skyscraper
L1 R1/LB RB - Rocket / Switch Rocket --> Checkin' the Nose / Switch Checkin' the Nose
L2 R2/RB RT - Truckdriver / Switch Truckdriver --> Sledgehammer / Switch Sledgehammer

better
L1/LB - Nosegrab / Switch Crail --> Sidewinder / Switch Submersible
R1/RB - Crail / Switch Nosegrab --> Submersible / Switch Sidewinder
L1 L2 R1/LB LT RB - Seatbelt / Switch Tail Grab --> Royal Flush / Switch Stay Frosty
L1 R1 R2/LB RB RT - Tail Grab / Switch Seatbelt --> Stay Frosty / Switch Royal Flush
L1 R2/LB RT - Flying Squirrel / Switch Stiffy --> Huge In Europe / Switch Cradle May Fall
R1 L2/RB LT - Stiffy / Switch Flying Squirrel --> Cradle May Fall / Switch Huge In Europe

best
L1 L2/LB LT - Mute / Switch Stalefish --> All You Can Eat / Switch Blackbird
R1 R2/RB RT - Stalefish / Switch Mute --> Blackbird / Switch All You Can Eat

signature
L1 L2 R1 R2/LB LT RB RT


The simple ubers are just called "Uber Melon", "Switch Uber Stiffy", etc. Just look at the normal grab and add "Uber".

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I'm stuck at work all day and can't play, so I'm watching people's runs on youtube & trying to figure out how the scoring works. My apologies if this info has already been posted in one of the active topics; it's hard to keep up with everything.

Here's what I've found:

When you land a trick, you immediately bank TRICK x FLOW. TRICK (no multiplier) is also added to the COMBO POOL. The combo counter and flow multiplier both increase by one. (FLOW is capped at 20, though.)
EDIT -- Looks like Nose/Tail Press won't increase your flow multiplier. And if you switch grabs in mid-air, it'll count as multiple tricks for the combo counter, but the flow multiplier will just go up by 1 when you land.)

When you end your combo (banking it, not crashing), you bank COMBO POOL x FLOW. You also bank a COMBO BONUS (no multiplier).
(Note that when you end a 1-trick 'combo', you do bank COMBO POOL x FLOW, but there's no COMBO BONUS.)

Here are the COMBO BONUS values that I've seen so far:
1 trick - No Bonus
2-4 tricks - 2,000 points
5-6 tricks - 10,000 points
7-9 tricks - 15,000 points
10-18 tricks - 25,000 points
21 tricks - 50,000 points
25 tricks - 75,000 points
31-35 tricks - 100,000 points
40 tricks - 125,000 points
64 tricks - 175,000 points
71 tricks - 200,000 points
85 tricks - 225,000 points

If I have more time this afternoon, I'm planning to look into these areas next:
- How much is the duplicate penalty?
- How much is the rewind penalty?
- How many points are individual tricks worth? (I started a spreadsheet to track this but don't have much data recorded yet.)

What else would be useful to quantify?

Great start mahkra. That'll be very useful!

I went through Yako591's 30-mil run and calculated the points from almost every individual trick. (Can't see the points after trick #6, so I can't determine the scores from trick #6 or #7.)

It'll take some time to work out how grabs + spins add up to make the total points per trick, but I did find a few simple things already:

"Off the Heli" is worth 20k. Before the multiplier. If you're at x20 when you do it, you can bank 400k immediately and another 400k later when you cash out your combo. AND you can still trick on the way down, so the heli points are really just gravy on top of what you'd normally get from a huge jump.

Nose/Tail presses will net you just a couple hundred points each, but if you do 5-10 of them they could bump you up to the next level of COMBO BONUS at the end. It might be better to do 2 or 3 between jumps instead of holding 1 longer one.

Yako's rail tricks averaged about 2,500 points.
Air ubers (not counting HUGE or MASSIVE) averaged a bit over 5k each.
HUGE! air ubers were about 11k each.
MASSIVE! air ubers were about 29k each.
(These are all base scores -- multiply each x40 to find the total points you'd get if you do the tricks at x20 and cash in your combo at x20.)

I haven't yet separated the HUGE / MASSIVE bonus points from the base trick points.


More to follow, though probably not til tonight or tomorrow. Gotta get at least some work done today...

EDIT:
One other thing I almost forgot -- it appears all grabs give you some number of points-per-second. And I'm guessing it's not a linear thing -- maybe it's 1k points for a 1-sec grab, 4k for a 2-sec, 10k for 3-sec, etc. Yako had a couple 'ubers' that he held for just a fraction of a second on jumps from the ground up to a rail & they were each worth only a couple hundred points.

Okay, starting simple. Flips and spins.


Flips:

Collected Data | Click to reveal hidden content

1 flip -> 600 points
2 flips -> 1800 points
3 flips -> 3600 points
4 flips -> 6000 points
5 flips -> 9000 points
6 flips -> 12600 points

Front/Back Flips are the same.
Points seem to follow this formula:
flip points = 600*(n+1)*n/2, where n is the # of flips

Predicted Scores | Click to reveal hidden content

1 flip -> 600 points
2 flips -> 1800 points
3 flips -> 3600 points
4 flips -> 6000 points
5 flips -> 9000 points
6 flips -> 12600 points
7 flips -> 16800 points
8 flips -> 21600 points
9 flips -> 27000 points
10 flips -> 33000 points
11 flips -> 39600 points
12 flips -> 46800 points
13 flips -> 54600 points
14 flips -> 63000 points
15 flips -> 72000 points

Here's another way to think about the formula:
1st flip is worth 600. 2nd flip is 1200. 3rd flip is 1800. 4th flip is 2400.
A double is 600 + 1200 = 1800 points. A quad is 600 + 1200 + 1800 + 2400 = 6000 points.


Spins:

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180 - 150 points
360 - 330 points
540 - 540 points
720 - 780 points
900 - 1050 points
1080 - 1350 points
1260 - 1680 points
1440 - 2040 points
1620 - 2430 points
1800 - 2850 points
2520 - 4830 points
2700 - 5400 points
2880 - 6000 points

FS/BS Spins are the same.
Points seem to follow this formula:
spin points = 120*n + (30*(n+1)*n/2), where n is the # of 180s

Predicted Scores | Click to reveal hidden content

180 - 150 points
360 - 330 points
540 - 540 points
720 - 780 points
900 - 1050 points
1080 - 1350 points
1260 - 1680 points
1440 - 2040 points
1620 - 2430 points
1800 - 2850 points
1980 - 3300 points
2160 - 3780 points
2340 - 4290 points
2520 - 4830 points
2700 - 5400 points
2880 - 6000 points
3060 - 6630 points
3240 - 7290 points
3420 - 7980 points
3600 - 8700 points
3780 - 9450 points
3960 - 10230 points
4140 - 11040 points
4320 - 11880 points
4500 - 12750 points
4680 - 13650 points
4860 - 14580 points
5040 - 15540 points
5220 - 16530 points
5400 - 17550 points

Here's another way to think about the formula:
1st 180 is worth 150. 2nd 180 is 180. 3rd 180 is 210. 4th 180 is 240.
A 360 is 150 + 180 = 330 points. A 720 is 150 + 180 + 210 + 240 = 780 points.


Flip + Spin:
If you do both, just add the points for each part of the trick. There's no bonus.


Disclaimer: I've only tested the formulas up to 2880 spins and x6 flips, so they may not hold true at higher numbers.

So it's always better to just do flips with no spins. That's what I've been doing since yesterday.

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Is it possible to hold the stick straight forward, then slightly diagonal and keep the full speed of the flip while also getting a few spins? Pure flips are obviously better than 50% flips and 50% spins, but if there's any leeway where you can get both while keeping maximum flip speed that'll add a few free points to the score.

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So is it for sure that spinning slows down flipping and flipping slows down spinning? If that is the case, the key to figure out then is how spinning slows down your flipping (linearly, another model?) and vice versa.

If we know that it could be possible to use those formulas for flipping and spinning to find an ideal scoring percentage for flipping and spinning rates, although it could just be 100% flipping, but maybe it would end up being something weird like 80% flipping and 20% spins or something.


Also for more direct equations where s(n) is spin score with n being number of 180s, f(n) is flip score with n being number of flips.



Nice work mahkra, awesome scoring groundwork so far!!!

This is fantastic stuff, I'm using this for the FAQ if you don't mind Mahkra.

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eviltim basically repeated what I said but so much more eloquently

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I'll make you a deal -- if you spell my name correctly when you mention me as a contributor, you can use this stuff wherever you want.

j/k I don't care about being credited & I'm happy to contribute. But you did spell my name wrong.

No problem, in fact I'll fix it in the original post, too.

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hey guys I think I figured out the rewind penalty. Basically when you rewind, you see it counting up a negative amount of points. From what I've seen, it then adds that negative amount of points to your combo score. So say you do a rewind that docks you 10,000 points, that will actually be 200,000 points off your combo bonus if you cash it in with a 20x flow multiplier.

be especially careful if you're doing a rewind with a small or no combo score.

ALSO, if you bail, your combo is gone, it is not coming back.

That means that if you rewind after bailing, instead of your combo coming back, it will be replaced by the negative rewind score, which as I said above, can be cashed in like normal points for a large amount of negative points.

can anyone verify this for me? I think this is right.

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-Nigel Thornberry

Yeah, I left the equations in the other form because (n)*(n+1)/2 is the general formula for summing all the integers from 1 to n. The simplified forms could definitely be quicker to use, though, and will probably make more sense to some people.

oh, one more thing. If you complete a full super über (not necessarily tweaked) in mid air, and then do another complete one, it will count as plus 2x on your flow multiplier. It just ticks up one as soon as you finish the mid air über, so you won't see it if you only watch the flow meter tick up when you land.

Again, I'm pretty sure this is right, but please check to verify so that I'm sure it's accurate. If I find anything wrong I'll let you all know! ^_^

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-Nigel Thornberry

I've definitely seen multiple mid-air tricks where the flow multiplier only increased upon landing. The combo counter went up 2, but flow only went up 1.

The cases I'm thinking of were not 2 big tricks, though. And I've been noticing other air tricks that did not cause flow to increase.

I think actually there might be a score threshold for flow. If your trick scores over X points, then flow increases. If your trick scores below that number, then your combo counter goes up but flow does not. I'll try to test this theory & see if I can find a value of X that matches the in-game results.

I'm pretty sure it might be a time limit for whether it counts towards flow or not, kind of like Batty said about each rail trick adding to your flow multiplier if it lasted about one second. In big jumps I was able to get two ubers, or even just two grabs to give me two flow multipliers if I held them each at least a second or so in the air.

Edit: Or it might be a time/score combo, as you definitely need to hold duplicates longer for it to count.

Hi long time lurker here, just registered to say thanks for this amazing thread. It explains quite a lot. I'm really curious how rewind effects each meter and scoring, because I haven't been able to figure that out yet

Oh and anyone can add me on PS3 I'm playing the demo constantly and will be playing SSX from day one. PSN ID is Grubster11

i figured it out already. the combo multiplier goes up when a trick is held till the words HUGE appear. emphasis on the words HUGE. so if ur in midair and u do a super uber till the words HUGE appear then do another super uber until the words HUGE appear and then land u would get 2x on the combo multiplier.

but word of caution. the words must appear long enough that u could actually read the letters clearly. if u see the words beginning to appear and switch tricks at that moment b4 HUGE finishes appearing then the combo multiplier will not increase. hope this helps.

btw Mahkra u have way to much time on ur hands but good job nonetheless

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Nice to see you posting mahkra, solid info

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Flippin' heck, nice work mahkra.

I'm slightly confused. Can someone confirm if it's either better to do just flips or flips+spins.

Thanks.

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problem is when you do BOTH you flip less, because spinning slows down your flips.

so youl get both the points but in the end itl be less than if you just flipped only during the same amount of air time.

say you do a double back flip 720 according to this thrd youd get 1800 + 780 points = 2580
but if you don't do any spin at all. youd flip faster and have chance at landing a triple or quad backflip. which would instead give you, 3600 or 6000 points respectively.

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Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the help.

I'll give it a test when I'm playing next.

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Haha full time job & kids at home... on the subway ride this morning, I was reviewing my notes of what I want to look into next & thinking "If I were still in college I'd have finished all of this already... wish I had more time to figure this stuff out properly."

Pretty swamped at work today so probably won't be able to post much, but here's a quick update of where I'm at:
- Spins: figured out & posted
- Flips: figured out & posted
- Nose/Tail Press: looks like 5 points per meter, but I'm not sure if there are 'long grab' bonuses or anything like that.
- Rail Tricks: I've got some preliminary numbers for this, but need to do a bit more testing before posting it. Also not quite sure if it's points per meter or points per second. Points per meter seems more likely, but I'm not 100% on that yet.
- Grabs: Hoping to spend some time testing this tonight.
- HUGE/MASSIVE: 5k / 10k ? Not sure about that yet... I think I'll get a solid answer on this from my Grabs testing though.

Also hoping to get a better understanding of Flow, Rewinds, and Duplicates. I think we have a general idea how they work, but I'd really like to be able to describe it all more specifically. I didn't get much data on any of this from watching the 'master runs' type videos yesterday, for some reason.... I need to check out some random youtube garbage to find people doing rewinds / duplicates and actually recording & posting it online.

I hope this does not turn into trick runs being flip-festivals

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